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The Homophobic Goth

My Welsh friend, Thor, the God of Thunder, told me when last we met that he had once been standing on a crowded train in a carriage where Alan Carr was sitting, and, next to him, near the doors of the carriage was a spotty, greasy-haired, approximately sixteen-year-old goth, with his girlfriend. The goth was, for some reason, looking in Alan Carr's direction and saying, "I can't wait to get out of this carriage, it's a bit GAY in here", and repeating similar phrases, each time with the word 'gay' in block capitals. His girlfriend, apparently, was tittering uncomfortably, and Alan Carr, if I remember the account correctly, was looking miffed but long-suffering, perhaps rolling his eyes.

And I thought that all goths were depressive fags. Apparently some of them are jocks. How disappointing.

15 Replies to “The Homophobic Goth”

  1. I dont know if goths are depressive fags, but emos I’m sure they are.I know that we must respect people and the differences, but I do hate when emos get near me. They stink. Yes, they stink! They use black clothes that seems not be washed for a long time, and besides, their make-up… their make-up makes me sick. In the hot weather in Manaus, it can’t be possible to use a hard make-up and not be sweating, so seems you’re a big wax doll and you’re melting! They get worse with that make-up.

  2. I suppose I always find it strange when one group of people used to be hassled and denigrated (or a member of that group) picks on another group of people (or member of that group). I don’t mind smell so much, although, I have to say, the ingrained smell of stale urine can be a little off-putting.

  3. i dont like teenagers groups. it’s so boring. most of them when get older will feel ashamed of themselves for doing this.i didnt have a group for me when i was a teen, but i did use that band t-shirts. when i remember i ask myself how idiot was i to do that and try to remember other stupid acts i could do too at that time…the teen years sucks.

  4. Justin Isis writes:

    I remember once having a conversation with Chocolate Princess Mika where she was talking about the hardships she faced as a Gothic Lolita, being looked down on by the mainstream population, getting strange looks, only having a small group of like-minded friends, etc. Anyway, at some point I mentioned something about reading Men’s Egg, and she responded like:”Damn, I NEVER go to Shibuya! Those fucking gyaru are our enemies! Why do they dress like that?!” She didn’t see any discrepancy at all, even when I tried to point it out.

  5. “i didnt have a group for me when i was a teen, but i did use that band t-shirts. when i remember i ask myself how idiot was i to do that and try to remember other stupid acts i could do too at that time…the teen years sucks.”I used to hang out with people who smelt of patchouli oil. Back there in Devon, we were known as ‘grebos’, but I find this is not a word with much currency in the wider world. It basically indicated long-haired types who listened to heavy metal. I don’t recall ever taking it very seriously. But I enjoyed dressing up in ridiculous clothes. If you can’t do it when you’re a teenager, when can you? I think I liked the fact that, even back then in the eighties, being a grebo was just about the uncoolest thing you could possibly be.”Damn, I NEVER go to Shibuya! Those fucking gyaru are our enemies! Why do they dress like that?!” For some reason that’s quite cute. I can imagine her consternation as she tries to fathom why they should wish to do anything so provoking as to be a gyaru.Didn’t she say that ‘Gothic’ and ‘Lolita’ were two different things, though? (I haven’t found that borne out by others, since, by the way.) Or am I thinking of someone else?

  6. Yes, if you dont do it when you’re teen, you’ll never do in your life. But when we remember the stupid things we did… we wish not to did it. In fact, not that is a shame, or shameless to us, but the ridiculous in whole.

  7. Justin Isis writes:

    “Didn’t she say that ‘Gothic’ and ‘Lolita’ were two different things, though? (I haven’t found that borne out by others, since, by the way.) Or am I thinking of someone else?”They sort of are. Lolita indicates a primarily white and pink wardrobe with lots of lace and Alice In Wonderland type clothes, while Gothic is…yeah, Gothic. Gothic Lolita is sort of a combination of the two: think the former, just with the palette changed to black. Baby The Stars Shine Bright/H. Naoto style usually ends up being more tilted towards Loli, though, with a streak of Gothic running through it. Mika was more Loli, I think: she didn’t really wear a lot of black. I don’t know. I think this style is already played out, myself. And I’m not digging the kind of pseudo-hippie/Bohemian style that’s big now, either. OL-kei is the way to go, or else I’m trying to pioneer a sort of Yellow Nineties/Taisho-period crossover style that will be massively influenced by old-school Egg and Ranzuki shit. Sort of like Aubrey Beardsley meets 1920’s Sapporo beer ads meets OG: OVER GOLD. It could be huge. I want to become a fashion designer, but no one will take me up on it.

  8. “Yes, if you dont do it when you’re teen, you’ll never do in your life. But when we remember the stupid things we did… we wish not to did it. In fact, not that is a shame, or shameless to us, but the ridiculous in whole.”I’m sure I’ll look back on my thirties and groan in embarrassment. In fact, I’m sure I’ll look back on my seventies and groan in embarrassment. In fact, I already do. “They sort of are. Lolita indicates a primarily white and pink wardrobe with lots of lace and Alice In Wonderland type clothes, while Gothic is…yeah, Gothic. Gothic Lolita is sort of a combination of the two: think the former, just with the palette changed to black.”I suppose I just remembered it as her saying there was no ‘Rorigosu’ or ‘Gosurori’, or whichever way round it goes. Maybe Sifow will take you on as a fashion designer, bodyguard and slave.

  14. I think that’s one of the implications of the song, isn’t it? I think at the time, probably, Morrissey was expressing the notion that he couldn’t, though perhaps he felt he should.

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